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#1 Spunjer

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 01:36 PM

hi all,
at the beginning of this year, as i was perusing the aisles in one of our state's biggest gun show, i was captivated by the collections of some of these people regarding guns. everything from one of a kind pistols to a whole arrays of .45 cal. there were six shooters from the wild west, to the long rifles from the revolutionary era. on the way out, i saw a brochure about an upcoming display show. the more i thought about it, the more it sound appealing. i've never displayed anything before, so with the help of some of the members here, i was able to put up something in a way that would represent our culture. understand that i live in the bible belt here in the states, a very conservative part of this country, so i was a little apprehensive at first in displaying something that has nothing to do with this culture. but of course, our culture is intertwined starting at the turn of the 20th century, and i used that as a theme for my display.
i was pleasantly surprised that a lot of people stopped at my area and was actually interested at that forgotten history that was the Moro campaign. they were asking a lot of intelligent questions and were just in awe of our southern brothers and sisters weaponries. a few made a comment in how that turn of events back then parallel what is happening now...
i'm proud to say that of all 23 entries in the show, my display was given  the best educational award. without further ado, here was my display

it was three tables long, each measuring 8 feet. each item was identified, and a brief description of the weapon, and as to what tribe it belonged to was added.

left table


middle (the centerpiece)


right table


Krises


Kampilans


Pira


Bangkung


Panabas


Barungs





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Posted 04 June 2008 - 01:36 PM

continuation...



Halo-halo


the barung on the top, if you notice, is missing a chunk close to the tip, most likely taken out by an incoming .38 cal slug




The Royal Set


The poster boards









all in all, it was a great experience. i especially like the part where i get to showcase a part of our heritage, here in the middle of nowhere. the funny thing was, i don't remember seeing anyone of color in that show, lolz...

enjoy nalang...
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Posted 04 June 2008 - 01:53 PM



the sword in the middle is familiar... what do you call it?  Badih?  I saw that in my cousins wall (displayed), he explained that it is for chopping enemy's head if they are captured.  Is this true?

btw, nice pix... thanks for sharing.

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 01:59 PM

Very nice, thanks for sharing.

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 02:27 PM


Hoy Spunger...great display! Sorry, I missed your show.

Hehehe...I see you displayed the "juju" kris you got from me....glad you can sleep with it in your home  wink.gif .




guin a eagnat ro acong talibong kung indi maka eabo

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 03:08 PM

Wow! Astonishing collection! You got all of those from within America? From families of Fil-Am war servicemen I presume?

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 03:42 PM

Any plans on putting up a show in Florida?  that would be nice see them.

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 04:01 PM

QUOTE (nosyac @ Jun 4 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any plans on putting up a show in Florida?  that would be nice see them.


Nosyac....if you're in Florida you should check out GM Federico Lazo if you want to talk swords...I believe he's in Zephyrhills or St. Petersburg.

http://www.lakb.net/index.html

He's got quite a collection himself including an ivory and silver hilt kalis I sold him a few years ago.


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Posted 04 June 2008 - 04:22 PM

thanks all,
nosyac, all three are variation of Panabas, and they do have a reputation as beheading weapons. the one in the middle will more than do its job: it's about 3/4 of an inch thick at the base and very heavy! check the man on the bottom right holding one of these beasts:

it would be nice to do a display all over, but i'm just doing this on my own time. not to say i wouldn't do it if someone ask me within driving distance. florida is a bit far..

zel, i think the "juju" kris found his home, thank you! creepy how i dreamed about that sword when i stayed over your place!

dyak_stone, ironically these weapons were brought back by the returning servicemen from the fil-am war and by doing that, most were preserved the way it was. as time went on, these weapons were either left in the attic and mostly forgotten, only to be discovered by that person's grandchildren unaware of what it is. a perfect example was during the show, an older gentleman brought these weapons the day after he saw my collection. story was, he found it in the basement of the house they bought a long time ago from an older couple. his wife told him to throw it away awhile back but something told him to hold on to it. so i ended up buying it.



with a little TLC on the barung, i pretty much got it back to it's former glory:




majority of these were acquired here, save for the kris with the zigzag rattan on the scabbard which was acquired from a gentleman in spain. he said his great grandpa brought it with him from pinas
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Posted 04 June 2008 - 05:10 PM

you did a great job on the presentation!

nice how barung blade and junggayan hilt, in the last pic, turned out after the cleaning and tlc.
using pitch to re-attach? or is it still loose?
i've seen some seller's use modern epoxies or adhesives which makes it impossible to take apart without damaging the antiques.

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 05:20 PM

redrilled the handle then used pitch to re-attach. with the extreme weather changes around here, and from what the gentleman said about finding it in the basement (which most likely was damp, being a very old house), the handles on both the kris and barung pretty much shrunk a bit, pushing the blades forward.

maraming salamat sa 'yo, mabagani, for the guidance...
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Posted 04 June 2008 - 05:29 PM

that was all you bro!...i only described how i've tried stuff...your went way beyond that with your own creativity and well thought out work.

for general info - "pitch" is a jeweler's adhesive or natural resin that's pliable with heat, usually a small hand torch or lighter will work.
better for antiques because you can re-align blades and hilts if they are off and its closer to what the smiths did in the old days. with epoxy you get one shot.

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (mabagani @ Jun 4 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that was all you bro!...i only described how i've tried stuff...your went way beyond that with your own creativity and well thought out work.

for general info - "pitch" is a jeweler's adhesive that's pliable with heat, usually a small hand torch or lighter will work.
better because you can re-align blade if its off and its closer to what the smiths did in the old days. with epoxy you get one shot.



lol, i just placed the whole can of pitch on the stove and when it started boiling, dipped the tang in it and let it set. first couple try was kinda iffy since i got this big blob. eventually i learned to just dip it halfway. i think i'm starting to get the hang of it tho, lol
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Posted 04 June 2008 - 05:55 PM

i go outside, set everything around a bbq pit...with the hand torch you can heat the tang and small amounts of pitch using a jeweler's spatula or little knife, good way to deal with the fumes and smoke...lol

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 02:29 AM

QUOTE (zelbone @ Jun 4 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (nosyac @ Jun 4 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Any plans on putting up a show in Florida?  that would be nice see them.


Nosyac....if you're in Florida you should check out GM Federico Lazo if you want to talk swords...I believe he's in Zephyrhills or St. Petersburg.

http://www.lakb.net/index.html

He's got quite a collection himself including an ivory and silver hilt kalis I sold him a few years ago.

Excellent pare!  Salaam.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 02:43 AM

Hanep...Astig!!!
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Posted 05 June 2008 - 02:49 AM

cool...nice pics. thanks for sharing.

i love blades...no matter which culture or continent it came from biggrin.gif

PS: ang kulit nun "DO NOT TOUCH!" hahaha

yihaaaaa! tigidig!!!!!!! tigidig!!!!!!



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Posted 05 June 2008 - 03:10 PM

QUOTE (kabayo @ Jun 4 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
cool...nice pics. thanks for sharing.

i love blades...no matter which culture or continent it came from biggrin.gif

PS: ang kulit nun "DO NOT TOUCH!" hahaha




lolz.
translation: touch it and you just gave me your arm


thank you
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Posted 06 June 2008 - 04:54 AM

if you want to study moro weapons, learn also how the americans in 1900's mapped moro province in Mindanao-- even a portion of davao was part of it.

also study all the peoples they called moro.  yes even people of borneo were called moros.

just a suggestion.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:25 AM

QUOTE (miyako @ Jun 6 2008, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if you want to study moro weapons, learn also how the americans in 1900's mapped moro province in Mindanao-- even a portion of davao was part of it.

also study all the peoples they called moro.  yes even people of borneo were called moros.

just a suggestion.

There you go, now, was that hard to do?  Keep it up...  thumbsup.gif

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:26 AM

did you like it?   mmmmm  damn "pakisama"

no wonder philippines is rotting collectively.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:28 AM

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no wonder philippines is rotting collectively.


wow!  is that why you're not living here no more?
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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:29 AM

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did you like it?   mmmmm  damn "pakisama"

no wonder philippines is rotting collectively.

No shame at all...  wacko.gif

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:30 AM

QUOTE (miyako @ Jun 6 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
did you like it?   mmmmm  damn "pakisama"

no wonder philippines is rotting collectively.


aray! pinay against pinoy.

what could be worse?

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 06:28 AM

hindi naman against.  nakikipagsabayan na nga.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 08:07 AM

hmmm... missed my barung back home...  mellow.gif  one hell of a collection, Spunjer...
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Posted 06 June 2008 - 08:20 AM

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hmmm... missed my barung back home...  mellow.gif  one hell of a collection, Spunjer...


the barung with a soul...

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE (soulguru @ Jun 6 2008, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hmmm... missed my barung back home...  mellow.gif  one hell of a collection, Spunjer...



magsukul tuud, anaksug!




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did you like it? mmmmm damn "pakisama"

no wonder philippines is rotting collectively.


i believe that's what's called "Tact", here, manang...
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Posted 06 June 2008 - 01:36 PM

Nice display and collection!

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 02:20 PM

Thanks spunjer for sharing. cool.gif