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A large mosquito could drain all my Indian blood. I'm mostly Gaelic (Irish, Scots, Welsh) extraction and 1/4 Danish. My grandfather used to be the caretaker at Old Fort Laramie. My mother was born there. Used to be Lakota living nearby in those days and there are reservations not far away in Nebraska and South Dakota. My father's mother must have been one of the last people taken "hostage" by renegade Indians who jumped the reservation in about 1903.
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Hi dudes,
Firstly I just love the classical "scholarly" definitions of Torqui... Secondly, Kilat Serrada, Sinyalan & duende debates in non-classical fashion really 'hit it on the nail' and his take on the definition of FMA is really "bang on the bucks" ...FMA = stick & blades ala debates ... Thirdly, here's my contribution …riding on the back of the above 'scholars' … FMA definition although convenient, is really really a Misnomer. In fact, if you ask a hundred different practitioners of the FMA arts for a definition of FMA, you'll probably get a hundred different answers. Agreed ? If not this thread won't be this long ... IMHO, all martial arts are based on certain sets of principles. These principles define the style/system that is unique and separates the rest into what really makes an FMA. One cursory look at what defines Chinese martial arts, you can generally tell it apart from Tae Kwon Do or Karate ...the same would apply for FMA albeit ... Also do note that the coined 'FMA' term only began about few decades ago only. If you really had cross trained in various FMAs styles/systems, besides the differences, you can't denied the universality and also the similarities of various underlying principles which were common to the many different FMA arts studied regardless of geographical area. Therefore wouldn't it be better to laid out the common General Principles of what makes FMA unique from other foreign arts before you can even make such labels ? In other words, to follow in the step of torqui, a classical scholarly definition might be :- FMA's are those martial arts that :- 1) have been developed within the geographical area that is now known as the Philippines -FMA stands for Philippines Martial Arts … Philippines is not an ancestry race or stock and being a country name therefore it pertains to geographical area irregardless of time ... 2) developed by a founder of Pinoy origin Or founder's teachers of Pinoy origin ... -besides geographical area, it has to begin with a founder/founders of philippines origin else how can it be FMA… -also what if an FMA had 80-90% FMA core arts and 10%-20% non-FMA arts, would that constituted it to be FMA ? If not, then a lot of arts would not qualify, i.e. isn't the Canete family's art had foreign influences ? Or Dan's Inosanto-lacoste system not FMA (though Dan is an American) ? 3) having the core or basic characteristics centering on Sticks & blades -Ask anyone from anywhere around the globe as to what is their first impression of FMA, it would the best or one of the best Stick & Blade arts (although FMA is a complete system) -What is FMA if it doesn’t have/void of Stick & blades ? 4) An art could only be an FMA if it must either i) belong to the same family root tree/common source or Ii) they were based upon similar principles shared across other Pinoy arts that fulfilled 1) & or 2) & or 3) -as this is in line with following Pinoy culture where "how on earth do someone have the recognition of being 'GM', 'PG' e.t.c ?". Really through peers' recognition. Same principles would apply where these arts are to be defined. Considering that if you agreed with the above and managed to nail down 1), 2) & 3), and have indeed listed out general guidelines on the principles that defined FMA. Now here is the problem with 4) labelling. As some principles would be universal across arts with similarities but of different expressions, sometimes it is not the particular Art itself that can be defined as FMA in terms of 4). BUT lies in the way an art is practiced or taught. Therefore can these be said there's only FMA practitioners and no strict "FMA or non-FMA definition" that divides/categorize the martial arts found in the Philippines. i.e. if I use Japanese terminologies/ranking/uniform in my FMA art, does that makes the martial arts practiced Non-Fma. Or if I use the strategy/tactics of FMA or even the mechanics of indigenous FMA in a foreign martial art like French cane fencing, does that make this martial arts any less an FMA or entirely not ? Think you get the point on 4) labelling having its pros & cons. In the end of the day, there must be certain sets of principles that define FMA being unique and clearly distinguish it from other foreign MAs. If it’s a mouthful to ya, go figure … my brains are really going bonkers with these academic debates ; ) Peace to all brudders |
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QUOTE (Raul @ Sep 12 2006, 09:37 AM) QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 12 2006, 09:12 AM) "Sikaran" comes from the word "sikad" which is a Visayan/Cebuano term which means "to kick." That is why tricycles here without motors are called "tri-sikad." What confuses me is how the term "sikad" gets to be transplanted to Luzon, particularly a very"Tagalog" area. I don't remember the term "sikad" as also being used in the tagalog language...  Sikad is a tagalog word... it means a kick using the ball or sole of the foot. The fluttering "kick' of a swimmer is also called sikad. If the contact points are the sides of the foot, the toes, or instep, then its called sipa. Stomping motions are called tadyak if it is used as a kick... or called padyak if it is used to pedal a bike or something. The sidecar drivers here are called padyak boys. you're right Raul, because the Cebuano Sikad term although it's applicable to a variety of kicking situations, however, when we talk of someone kicking another's butt we call it - PATID. So, within the Cebuano context the most probable terminology for a kicking Martial Art would be called PINATIRAY! 
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Sep 14 2006, 04:52 AM
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Doesn't "patid" mean "to trip?" Or "to block?" That's usually the context in which it is used here... but then again... I come from a combination Tagalog-Cebuano-Ilonggo area
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Sep 16 2006, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 14 2006, 12:52 PM) Doesn't "patid" mean "to trip?" Or "to block?" That's usually the context in which it is used here... but then again... I come from a combination Tagalog-Cebuano-Ilonggo area To trip somebody down in Cebuano is called ARNIS! Although this is no longer as popular among the X-gen kids. When tripping somebody or tackiling somebody down, we describe it as gi-arnisan! 
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Sep 16 2006, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (Junior Hinay @ Sep 16 2006, 12:01 PM) QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 14 2006, 12:52 PM) Doesn't "patid" mean "to trip?" Or "to block?" That's usually the context in which it is used here... but then again... I come from a combination Tagalog-Cebuano-Ilonggo area To trip somebody down in Cebuano is called ARNIS! Although this is no longer as popular among the X-gen kids. When tripping somebody or tackiling somebody down, we describe it as gi-arnisan! how about "sapid" , meaning to trip or sweep. i remember as a kid we used to play a game where one is trying to take the other kid by sweeping, which later on I learned in silat as as "sapu". |
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Oct 2 2006, 06:37 PM
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 Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Pangasinan Member No.: 278 Nationality: Fil-Am Group Affiliation(s): www.silat.tv |
Added to the FMA BULLSHIDO CRAP LIST
ARNIS BUMARIL hahahahahhahaa!!! 
-------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 9 2006, 02:41 PM from FMA BULLSHIDO LIST thread) Lord have mercy.... FMA is Arnis .... no need to get it twisted. QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 8 2006, 05:19 PM from Silat Suffian Bela Diri thread) FMA is Silat This is confusing! 
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Nov 9 2006, 10:18 AM
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ehehe, may punto ka Torqs... i think sa snabi ni Kilat, depende sa Geographics- kung saan nag-eensayo ng Silat; it could be in the areas down South nga, or wherever in this byutiful country... issue lang is, if those bros from the South (or wherever...) will think of their Silat as "FMA"... guess i already sed my piece in another thread...
 QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 9 2006, 01:21 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 9 2006, 02:41 PM from FMA BULLSHIDO LIST thread) Lord have mercy.... FMA is Arnis .... no need to get it twisted. QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 8 2006, 05:19 PM from Silat Suffian Bela Diri thread) FMA is Silat This is confusing! -------------------- Life is Rhythm- Play it Well... then again: Who Dares, WINS...
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Nov 9 2006, 04:14 PM
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Moderators Posts: 1,576 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Quezon City Member No.: 4 Nationality: Filipino Group Affiliation(s): Ang Makalumang Escrima ni Tonio |
QUOTE (soulguru @ Nov 9 2006, 06:18 PM) ehehe, may punto ka Torqs... i think sa snabi ni Kilat, depende sa Geographics- kung saan nag-eensayo ng Silat; it could be in the areas down South nga, or wherever in this byutiful country I think he made it pretty clear that Silat/Kuntaw in Sulu and Mindanao are not FMA. I asked him if only arnis is FMA. He replied: "to put it bluntly, yes....". Please refer to page 2 of this thread (starting Sept 9, 2006) to read the posts. -------------------- |
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Pangasinan Member No.: 278 Nationality: Fil-Am Group Affiliation(s): www.silat.tv |
WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga!
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived. Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe. -------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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Nov 10 2006, 08:43 AM
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Moderators Posts: 1,576 Joined: 6-September 05 From: Quezon City Member No.: 4 Nationality: Filipino Group Affiliation(s): Ang Makalumang Escrima ni Tonio |
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM) WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga! some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived. Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe. who? me? All eyes? I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted? -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2006, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM) WHy all eyes on me?? Like me, want to see you do a demo on the FMA Gathering... Hope you'll find time kapatid.
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Nov 10 2006, 12:40 PM
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well sed- i 2nd d motion...
 QUOTE (armaspinoy @ Nov 10 2006, 06:20 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM) WHy all eyes on me?? Like me, want to see you do a demo on the FMA Gathering... Hope you'll find time kapatid. -------------------- Life is Rhythm- Play it Well... then again: Who Dares, WINS...
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Pangasinan Member No.: 278 Nationality: Fil-Am Group Affiliation(s): www.silat.tv |
QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM) WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga! some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived. Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe. who? me? All eyes? I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted? Sorry for the snappy answer, i just came from another Combat AIkido class that I have to teach along side with.... they always say Aikido is for killing people?? and Arnis is for kids?? They're brains are so small and their perception of Martial Arts is Steven Siga corrupted!! What a bunch of wussies, i slammed one of their "Masters" on the third story of the hotel!! They can all kiss my Moro A$$!! -------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 11 2006, 05:19 PM) QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM) WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga! some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived. Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe. who? me? All eyes? I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted? Sorry for the snappy answer, i just came from another Combat AIkido class that I have to teach along side with.... they always say Aikido is for killing people?? and Arnis is for kids?? They're brains are so small and their perception of Martial Arts is Steven Siga corrupted!! What a bunch of wussies, i slammed one of their "Masters" on the third story of the hotel!! They can all kiss my Moro A$$!! What??? Aikido is for killing pimples??!!! And arnis is for cats???? Who said that! SiiiNOOO!!! -------------------- " We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender... "----- Sir Winston Churchill
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Aug 26 2007, 10:08 AM
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Pangasinan Member No.: 278 Nationality: Fil-Am Group Affiliation(s): www.silat.tv |
-------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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Aug 26 2007, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 26 2007, 11:08 AM)  Do they really train that way?
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Aug 27 2007, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (Snake doc @ Aug 26 2007, 09:54 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 26 2007, 11:08 AM) Do they really train that way?I always heard that greatest FMA Master came from Iloilo. Are these guys one of them? |
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Aug 27 2007, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 11 2006, 10:19 AM) QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM) WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga! some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived. Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe. who? me? All eyes? I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted? Sorry for the snappy answer, i just came from another Combat AIkido class that I have to teach along side with.... they always say Aikido is for killing people?? and Arnis is for kids?? They're brains are so small and their perception of Martial Arts is Steven Siga corrupted!! What a bunch of wussies, i slammed one of their "Masters" on the third story of the hotel!! They can all kiss my Moro A$$!! Show them angles 1 & 2 as you disclocate their collar bones.
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Aug 29 2007, 07:15 PM
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Hanip sa action. Slow motion na mabilis. Ala-Zaldi Zornak....oooops ganon na ba ka tagal?
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QUOTE (Calvin Klein @ Aug 26 2007, 09:25 PM) QUOTE (Snake doc @ Aug 26 2007, 09:54 PM) QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 26 2007, 11:08 AM) Do they really train that way?I always heard that greatest FMA Master came from Iloilo. Are these guys one of them? Was that Steven Seagal? -------------------- |
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-------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Pangasinan Member No.: 278 Nationality: Fil-Am Group Affiliation(s): www.silat.tv |
-------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 31 2007, 05:17 AM) That is how I see it when couple of TKD practitioners did their padded sticks sparring during their testing (2006). It's a touch-point system the same as their regular sparring or competitions. KS, can you see my face with my hands covering my mouth? hehe... -------------------- |
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-------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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Dalubhasang Guro (Expert Teacher) Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Pangasinan Member No.: 278 Nationality: Fil-Am Group Affiliation(s): www.silat.tv |
-------------------- Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “On the Day of Resurrection Allah will hold the whole earth and fold the heaven with His right hand and say, ‘I am the King: where are the kings of the earth?” Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 479: http://sitbatan.blogspot.com/ |
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 22 2007, 08:16 PM)     ????
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Must be aikikwando. Are they related to the Blancia Tribe?
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QUOTE (engkanto @ Sep 24 2007, 11:49 AM) Must be aikikwando. Are they related to the Blancia Tribe? Now , that is too much. I dont think it is gonna work on any pinoy whether FMA or not unless bayad. I like that, unless bayad.
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