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....i have to agree with sinyalan......some would argue that the "FMA" that we see now was developed in or around the VISAYAS region, particularly CEBU.....it wasnt called "arnis" there.........
Are you saying Luzon people learned Arnis from the Visayans??
I learned some from Master Garciano who is Cebuano, he calls it Garrote and Machete...and some other Visayans; but i also learned from Pangasinan, Pampangan, Ilocano, Tagalog, and other Luzon peoples and we call it Arnis!!
What I was talking about is FMA is Arnis, Eskrima, Garrote, Olisi, Pananandata.... "Stick and Blades...some empty hand"
I learned some from Master Garciano who is Cebuano, he calls it Garrote and Machete...and some other Visayans; but i also learned from Pangasinan, Pampangan, Ilocano, Tagalog, and other Luzon peoples and we call it Arnis!!
What I was talking about is FMA is Arnis, Eskrima, Garrote, Olisi, Pananandata.... "Stick and Blades...some empty hand"
So do the American Filipinos, especially kali teachers, count as FMA? Or can they be Filipino-American, but non-FMA?
QUOTE (jerry @ Sep 11 2006, 01:07 AM)
So do the American Filipinos, especially kali teachers, count as FMA? Or can they be Filipino-American, but non-FMA?
Anybody can teach FMA, but it's up to the instructor if he wants to acknowledge the true lineage of his techniques.... or just take a little kick, grapple here. borrow a little twist, palm there, and mix it up to wala!...instant FMA Adobo.
It's really an insult when you see a TKD kick in a TKD uniform say it's FMA just because the guy is Pinoy.... or how about full Gi with Hakama saying it's FMA??
O well, it's up to us to smell the bullshido and properly flush it with knowledge.
Peace Jerry...BTW i like all the "Indian Threads" you post. I lived in Oklahoma for a while and the Comanches were cool people. What tribe are you from?
Well, I do see Killat Serrada's point. Up to a time, I thought that FMA was a term used only to refer to arnis, eskrima, kali (<--I know, I know, but let's not get into that now), garrote, olisi, and so on- basically all the stickfighting/bladefighting styles and systems that trace their roots to the Philippines.
This is not to discount sikaran, buno't dumog, boltong, at iba pa as being other martial arts of Pinoy origin, because to me, it is obvious that they are. I just thought that the term FMA was specifically coined to counter the confusion regarding the many terms (arnis, eskrima, olisi, etc.) that refer to the more or less similar Filipino stick/blade fighting arts. Different styles and systems, but basically the similar paradigm of weapos first, largo media corto, trapping, flow, striking angles, and so on.
Now, if FMA apparently has the bigger definition- all martial arts/combat arts/combat sports/you-get-what-I-mean originating from the Philippines, then maybe we need a different term to encompass just our various arnis, eskrima, kali, olisi, garrote, etc. styles. Filipino weapon fighting?
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On another note: is sikaran a generic Filipino term for kicking? I have been under the impression that sikaran specifically refers only to the kicking sport that originated from Baras, Rizal (and I do say sport because I think the farmers who practice this do so just to pass the time and test their mettle, and not to prepare for war or anything like that). But now, I've been hearing that sikaran is a subset within the art of kali, consisting of low line kicking?
I mean, to me its alright to include kicking in your schools curriculum. I just draw the line at taking terms such as sikaran out of context. What's next, teach a few flowery disarms and then call it the eskrima subsystem of boltong?
This is not to discount sikaran, buno't dumog, boltong, at iba pa as being other martial arts of Pinoy origin, because to me, it is obvious that they are. I just thought that the term FMA was specifically coined to counter the confusion regarding the many terms (arnis, eskrima, olisi, etc.) that refer to the more or less similar Filipino stick/blade fighting arts. Different styles and systems, but basically the similar paradigm of weapos first, largo media corto, trapping, flow, striking angles, and so on.
Now, if FMA apparently has the bigger definition- all martial arts/combat arts/combat sports/you-get-what-I-mean originating from the Philippines, then maybe we need a different term to encompass just our various arnis, eskrima, kali, olisi, garrote, etc. styles. Filipino weapon fighting?
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On another note: is sikaran a generic Filipino term for kicking? I have been under the impression that sikaran specifically refers only to the kicking sport that originated from Baras, Rizal (and I do say sport because I think the farmers who practice this do so just to pass the time and test their mettle, and not to prepare for war or anything like that). But now, I've been hearing that sikaran is a subset within the art of kali, consisting of low line kicking?
I mean, to me its alright to include kicking in your schools curriculum. I just draw the line at taking terms such as sikaran out of context. What's next, teach a few flowery disarms and then call it the eskrima subsystem of boltong?
this is such a lively thread... 
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 10 2006, 02:33 PM)
Basically FMA is ARNIS...sticks and blades..some empty hands. no disrespect to any other arts but without Arnis, FMA wouldn't be where it is now....period. Besides this is an FMA forum.... does anybody believe FMA is otherwise??
yes. when you say FMA, it primarily refers to stick and blade fighting.
if ever FMA does have any empty-hand art, then it's probably still evolving.
as for empty-hand applications of stick-and-blade-based techniques, i have yet to see them in actual use--in a tournament, i mean. Wouldn't it be great to see FMA emptyhands at the UFC?
of course, i've seen PTK emptyhands in demos. i know they're being applied by some members of the military, maybe. but PTK is still primarily about sticks and blades.
as for Sikadsu, I have yet to see it in action--I mean in a tournament, not a demo.
I've also seen Sikaran in a demo--but it looks like TKD to me. Not to insult Sikaran practitioners, but that's just how it looked to me. I admit I am ignorant on this matter.
now did FMA originate in Luzon or the Visayas? I say both!
hmmm... so does this mean that "Silat" isn't also indigenous to the Tausugs?! weird- coz for quite a very long time in history, Basilan (as well as other islands w/in that area) was UNDER Sulu's influence/control... 
...as for people not seeing a "kali moro grandmaster", oh well, that's exactly the point- its Silat/Kuntaw they practice, not "Kali"...by the way, the people down there have ALWAYS been wary of outsiders eversince- they can smell if someone's (depends if u smell fishy...) different, untrustworthy, a Christian or Muslim... thus its but normal for them to choose whether to show what they know or hide stuff... its just like reknowned arnis/escrima Masters that "sizeup" a person, whether ok to teach/show stuff or not... oh well, sayang if others weren't so fortunate of seeing/learning stuff there. simple lang eh- di nila trip pakitaan, unlike Yuli R.; heard he learned some gr8 stuff there...
Bullshitdo? marami... di na tyo kelngan lumayo, ehehe...
CORRECT... there's a whale of a difference between silat kuntao and escrima/ arnis. Silat is indigenous to the Yakan tribes in Basilan. I've spent half of my life travelling from the fringes of BUDA (Bukidnon Davao Cotabato, from Siasi, Jolo, Lamitan, Basilan, Ipil, Margosatubig,Marawi, Siocon, Siraway, etc.) I have not seen a living breathing kali moro grandmaster!
...as for people not seeing a "kali moro grandmaster", oh well, that's exactly the point- its Silat/Kuntaw they practice, not "Kali"...by the way, the people down there have ALWAYS been wary of outsiders eversince- they can smell if someone's (depends if u smell fishy...) different, untrustworthy, a Christian or Muslim... thus its but normal for them to choose whether to show what they know or hide stuff... its just like reknowned arnis/escrima Masters that "sizeup" a person, whether ok to teach/show stuff or not... oh well, sayang if others weren't so fortunate of seeing/learning stuff there. simple lang eh- di nila trip pakitaan, unlike Yuli R.; heard he learned some gr8 stuff there... Bullshitdo? marami... di na tyo kelngan lumayo, ehehe...
QUOTE (Junior Hinay @ Sep 3 2006, 02:35 PM)
QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 2 2006, 10:29 AM)
How about the "Moslem-connection?" We have some moslem members who grew up in the Sulu-Tawi-tawi-Basilan-Zamboanga area. They say they've never seen any form of escrima there... only the Blade work of Silat.
CORRECT... there's a whale of a difference between silat kuntao and escrima/ arnis. Silat is indigenous to the Yakan tribes in Basilan. I've spent half of my life travelling from the fringes of BUDA (Bukidnon Davao Cotabato, from Siasi, Jolo, Lamitan, Basilan, Ipil, Margosatubig,Marawi, Siocon, Siraway, etc.) I have not seen a living breathing kali moro grandmaster!
"Sikaran" comes from the word "sikad" which is a Visayan/Cebuano term which means "to kick." That is why tricycles here without motors are called "tri-sikad." What confuses me is how the term "sikad" gets to be transplanted to Luzon, particularly a very"Tagalog" area. I don't remember the term "sikad" as also being used in the tagalog language...
QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 12 2006, 09:12 AM)
"Sikaran" comes from the word "sikad" which is a Visayan/Cebuano term which means "to kick." That is why tricycles here without motors are called "tri-sikad." What confuses me is how the term "sikad" gets to be transplanted to Luzon, particularly a very"Tagalog" area. I don't remember the term "sikad" as also being used in the tagalog language...
Sikad is a tagalog word... it means a kick using the ball or sole of the foot. The fluttering "kick' of a swimmer is also called sikad. If the contact points are the sides of the foot, the toes, or instep, then its called sipa. Stomping motions are called tadyak if it is used as a kick... or called padyak if it is used to pedal a bike or something. The sidecar drivers here are called padyak boys.
A large mosquito could drain all my Indian blood. I'm mostly Gaelic (Irish, Scots, Welsh) extraction and 1/4 Danish. My grandfather used to be the caretaker at Old Fort Laramie. My mother was born there. Used to be Lakota living nearby in those days and there are reservations not far away in Nebraska and South Dakota. My father's mother must have been one of the last people taken "hostage" by renegade Indians who jumped the reservation in about 1903.
Hi dudes,
Firstly I just love the classical "scholarly" definitions of Torqui...
Secondly, Kilat Serrada, Sinyalan & duende debates in non-classical fashion really 'hit it on the nail' and his take on the definition of FMA is really "bang on the bucks" ...FMA = stick & blades ala debates ...
Thirdly, here's my contribution …riding on the back of the above 'scholars' …
FMA definition although convenient, is really really a Misnomer.
In fact, if you ask a hundred different practitioners of the FMA arts for a definition of FMA, you'll probably get a hundred different answers.
Agreed ? If not this thread won't be this long ...
IMHO, all martial arts are based on certain sets of principles. These principles define the style/system that is unique and separates the rest into what really makes an FMA.
One cursory look at what defines Chinese martial arts, you can generally tell it apart from Tae Kwon Do or Karate ...the same would apply for FMA albeit ...
Also do note that the coined 'FMA' term only began about few decades ago only.
If you really had cross trained in various FMAs styles/systems, besides the differences, you can't denied the universality and also the similarities of various underlying principles which were common to the many different FMA arts studied regardless of geographical area.
Therefore wouldn't it be better to laid out the common General Principles of what makes FMA unique from other foreign arts before you can even make such labels ?
In other words, to follow in the step of torqui, a classical scholarly definition might be :-
FMA's are those martial arts that :-
1) have been developed within the geographical area that is now known as the Philippines
-FMA stands for Philippines Martial Arts … Philippines is not an ancestry race or stock and being a country name therefore it pertains to geographical area irregardless of time ...
2) developed by a founder of Pinoy origin Or founder's teachers of Pinoy origin ...
-besides geographical area, it has to begin with a founder/founders of philippines origin else how can it be FMA…
-also what if an FMA had 80-90% FMA core arts and 10%-20% non-FMA arts, would that constituted it to be FMA ?
If not, then a lot of arts would not qualify, i.e. isn't the Canete family's art had foreign influences ? Or Dan's Inosanto-lacoste system not FMA (though Dan is an American) ?
3) having the core or basic characteristics centering on Sticks & blades
-Ask anyone from anywhere around the globe as to what is their first impression of FMA, it would the best or one of the best Stick & Blade arts (although FMA is a complete system)
-What is FMA if it doesn’t have/void of Stick & blades ?
4) An art could only be an FMA if it must either
i) belong to the same family root tree/common source or
Ii) they were based upon similar principles shared across other Pinoy arts that fulfilled 1) & or 2) & or 3)
-as this is in line with following Pinoy culture where "how on earth do someone have the recognition of being 'GM', 'PG' e.t.c ?". Really through peers' recognition.
Same principles would apply where these arts are to be defined.
Considering that if you agreed with the above and managed to nail down 1), 2) & 3), and have indeed listed out general guidelines on the principles that defined FMA.
Now here is the problem with 4) labelling. As some principles would be universal across arts with similarities but of different expressions, sometimes it is not the particular Art itself that can be defined as FMA in terms of 4). BUT lies in the way an art is practiced or taught.
Therefore can these be said there's only FMA practitioners and no strict "FMA or non-FMA definition" that divides/categorize the martial arts found in the Philippines.
i.e. if I use Japanese terminologies/ranking/uniform in my FMA art, does that makes the martial arts practiced Non-Fma.
Or if I use the strategy/tactics of FMA or even the mechanics of indigenous FMA in a foreign martial art like French cane fencing, does that make this martial arts any less an FMA or entirely not ?
Think you get the point on 4) labelling having its pros & cons.
In the end of the day, there must be certain sets of principles that define FMA being unique and clearly distinguish it from other foreign MAs.
If it’s a mouthful to ya, go figure … my brains are really going bonkers with these academic debates ; )
Peace to all brudders
Firstly I just love the classical "scholarly" definitions of Torqui...
Secondly, Kilat Serrada, Sinyalan & duende debates in non-classical fashion really 'hit it on the nail' and his take on the definition of FMA is really "bang on the bucks" ...FMA = stick & blades ala debates ...
Thirdly, here's my contribution …riding on the back of the above 'scholars' …
FMA definition although convenient, is really really a Misnomer.
In fact, if you ask a hundred different practitioners of the FMA arts for a definition of FMA, you'll probably get a hundred different answers.
Agreed ? If not this thread won't be this long ...
IMHO, all martial arts are based on certain sets of principles. These principles define the style/system that is unique and separates the rest into what really makes an FMA.
One cursory look at what defines Chinese martial arts, you can generally tell it apart from Tae Kwon Do or Karate ...the same would apply for FMA albeit ...
Also do note that the coined 'FMA' term only began about few decades ago only.
If you really had cross trained in various FMAs styles/systems, besides the differences, you can't denied the universality and also the similarities of various underlying principles which were common to the many different FMA arts studied regardless of geographical area.
Therefore wouldn't it be better to laid out the common General Principles of what makes FMA unique from other foreign arts before you can even make such labels ?
In other words, to follow in the step of torqui, a classical scholarly definition might be :-
FMA's are those martial arts that :-
1) have been developed within the geographical area that is now known as the Philippines
-FMA stands for Philippines Martial Arts … Philippines is not an ancestry race or stock and being a country name therefore it pertains to geographical area irregardless of time ...
2) developed by a founder of Pinoy origin Or founder's teachers of Pinoy origin ...
-besides geographical area, it has to begin with a founder/founders of philippines origin else how can it be FMA…
-also what if an FMA had 80-90% FMA core arts and 10%-20% non-FMA arts, would that constituted it to be FMA ?
If not, then a lot of arts would not qualify, i.e. isn't the Canete family's art had foreign influences ? Or Dan's Inosanto-lacoste system not FMA (though Dan is an American) ?
3) having the core or basic characteristics centering on Sticks & blades
-Ask anyone from anywhere around the globe as to what is their first impression of FMA, it would the best or one of the best Stick & Blade arts (although FMA is a complete system)
-What is FMA if it doesn’t have/void of Stick & blades ?
4) An art could only be an FMA if it must either
i) belong to the same family root tree/common source or
Ii) they were based upon similar principles shared across other Pinoy arts that fulfilled 1) & or 2) & or 3)
-as this is in line with following Pinoy culture where "how on earth do someone have the recognition of being 'GM', 'PG' e.t.c ?". Really through peers' recognition.
Same principles would apply where these arts are to be defined.
Considering that if you agreed with the above and managed to nail down 1), 2) & 3), and have indeed listed out general guidelines on the principles that defined FMA.
Now here is the problem with 4) labelling. As some principles would be universal across arts with similarities but of different expressions, sometimes it is not the particular Art itself that can be defined as FMA in terms of 4). BUT lies in the way an art is practiced or taught.
Therefore can these be said there's only FMA practitioners and no strict "FMA or non-FMA definition" that divides/categorize the martial arts found in the Philippines.
i.e. if I use Japanese terminologies/ranking/uniform in my FMA art, does that makes the martial arts practiced Non-Fma.
Or if I use the strategy/tactics of FMA or even the mechanics of indigenous FMA in a foreign martial art like French cane fencing, does that make this martial arts any less an FMA or entirely not ?
Think you get the point on 4) labelling having its pros & cons.
In the end of the day, there must be certain sets of principles that define FMA being unique and clearly distinguish it from other foreign MAs.
If it’s a mouthful to ya, go figure … my brains are really going bonkers with these academic debates ; )
Peace to all brudders
QUOTE (Raul @ Sep 12 2006, 09:37 AM)
QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 12 2006, 09:12 AM)
"Sikaran" comes from the word "sikad" which is a Visayan/Cebuano term which means "to kick." That is why tricycles here without motors are called "tri-sikad." What confuses me is how the term "sikad" gets to be transplanted to Luzon, particularly a very"Tagalog" area. I don't remember the term "sikad" as also being used in the tagalog language...
Sikad is a tagalog word... it means a kick using the ball or sole of the foot. The fluttering "kick' of a swimmer is also called sikad. If the contact points are the sides of the foot, the toes, or instep, then its called sipa. Stomping motions are called tadyak if it is used as a kick... or called padyak if it is used to pedal a bike or something. The sidecar drivers here are called padyak boys.
you're right Raul, because the Cebuano Sikad term although it's applicable to a variety of kicking situations, however, when we talk of someone kicking another's butt we call it - PATID. So, within the Cebuano context the most probable terminology for a kicking Martial Art would be called PINATIRAY!
Doesn't "patid" mean "to trip?" Or "to block?" That's usually the context in which it is used here... but then again... I come from a combination Tagalog-Cebuano-Ilonggo area 
QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 14 2006, 12:52 PM)
Doesn't "patid" mean "to trip?" Or "to block?" That's usually the context in which it is used here... but then again... I come from a combination Tagalog-Cebuano-Ilonggo area
To trip somebody down in Cebuano is called ARNIS! Although this is no longer as popular among the X-gen kids. When tripping somebody or tackiling somebody down, we describe it as gi-arnisan!
QUOTE (Junior Hinay @ Sep 16 2006, 12:01 PM)
QUOTE (Banakun @ Sep 14 2006, 12:52 PM)
Doesn't "patid" mean "to trip?" Or "to block?" That's usually the context in which it is used here... but then again... I come from a combination Tagalog-Cebuano-Ilonggo area
To trip somebody down in Cebuano is called ARNIS! Although this is no longer as popular among the X-gen kids. When tripping somebody or tackiling somebody down, we describe it as gi-arnisan!
how about "sapid" , meaning to trip or sweep. i remember as a kid we used to play a game where one is trying to take the other kid by sweeping, which later on I learned in silat as as "sapu".
Added to the FMA BULLSHIDO CRAP LIST
ARNIS BUMARIL hahahahahhahaa!!!
ARNIS BUMARIL hahahahahhahaa!!!
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 9 2006, 02:41 PM from FMA BULLSHIDO LIST thread)
Lord have mercy.... FMA is Arnis .... no need to get it twisted.
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 8 2006, 05:19 PM from Silat Suffian Bela Diri thread)
FMA is Silat
This is confusing!
ehehe, may punto ka Torqs... i think sa snabi ni Kilat, depende sa Geographics- kung saan nag-eensayo ng Silat; it could be in the areas down South nga, or wherever in this byutiful country... issue lang is, if those bros from the South (or wherever...) will think of their Silat as "FMA"... guess i already sed my piece in another thread...
This is confusing!
QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 9 2006, 01:21 PM)
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 9 2006, 02:41 PM from FMA BULLSHIDO LIST thread)
Lord have mercy.... FMA is Arnis .... no need to get it twisted.
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 8 2006, 05:19 PM from Silat Suffian Bela Diri thread)
FMA is Silat
This is confusing!
QUOTE (soulguru @ Nov 9 2006, 06:18 PM)
ehehe, may punto ka Torqs... i think sa snabi ni Kilat, depende sa Geographics- kung saan nag-eensayo ng Silat; it could be in the areas down South nga, or wherever in this byutiful country
I think he made it pretty clear that Silat/Kuntaw in Sulu and Mindanao are not FMA. I asked him if only arnis is FMA. He replied: "to put it bluntly, yes....". Please refer to page 2 of this thread (starting Sept 9, 2006) to read the posts.
WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga!
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM)
WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga!
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
who? me? All eyes?
I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted?
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM)
WHy all eyes on me??
Like me, want to see you do a demo on the FMA Gathering...
Hope you'll find time kapatid.
well sed- i 2nd d motion...
Like me, want to see you do a demo on the FMA Gathering...
Hope you'll find time kapatid.
QUOTE (armaspinoy @ Nov 10 2006, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM)
WHy all eyes on me??
Like me, want to see you do a demo on the FMA Gathering...
Hope you'll find time kapatid.
QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM)
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM)
WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga!
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
who? me? All eyes?
I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted?
Sorry for the snappy answer, i just came from another Combat AIkido class that I have to teach along side with.... they always say Aikido is for killing people?? and Arnis is for kids?? They're brains are so small and their perception of Martial Arts is Steven Siga corrupted!! What a bunch of wussies, i slammed one of their "Masters" on the third story of the hotel!! They can all kiss my Moro A$$!!
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 11 2006, 05:19 PM)
QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM)
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM)
WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga!
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
who? me? All eyes?
I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted?
Sorry for the snappy answer, i just came from another Combat AIkido class that I have to teach along side with.... they always say Aikido is for killing people?? and Arnis is for kids?? They're brains are so small and their perception of Martial Arts is Steven Siga corrupted!! What a bunch of wussies, i slammed one of their "Masters" on the third story of the hotel!! They can all kiss my Moro A$$!!
What??? Aikido is for killing pimples??!!! And arnis is for cats???? Who said that! SiiiNOOO!!!
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 26 2007, 11:08 AM)
Do they really train that way?
QUOTE (Snake doc @ Aug 26 2007, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 26 2007, 11:08 AM)
Do they really train that way?I always heard that greatest FMA Master came from Iloilo.
Are these guys one of them?
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 11 2006, 10:19 AM)
QUOTE (torqui @ Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM)
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Nov 10 2006, 04:03 PM)
WHy all eyes on me?? did I insult your Japanese Aikido? AS we open the fourth Aikido school here in Pangasinan it sickens me that Pinoys here prefer this Jap Crap to Their own FMA. I only ride along to keep FMA alive here, otherwise to hell with Steven Siga!
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
some FMA is Arnis and some FMA is Silat"based"...or derived.
Pure Muslim Silat and / or Kuntaw would never be acknowleged as "Filipino", because it has been in existence before king Felipe.
who? me? All eyes?
I was just confused about your definitions. Do I need to be insulted to ask for clarifications on your definition or to cite possible inconsistencies? Di naman masama magtanong or mag-clarify diba? Mukhang taliwas kasi ang "FMA is Arnis" at "FMA is Silat". Do you feel insulted?
Sorry for the snappy answer, i just came from another Combat AIkido class that I have to teach along side with.... they always say Aikido is for killing people?? and Arnis is for kids?? They're brains are so small and their perception of Martial Arts is Steven Siga corrupted!! What a bunch of wussies, i slammed one of their "Masters" on the third story of the hotel!! They can all kiss my Moro A$$!!
Show them angles 1 & 2 as you disclocate their collar bones.
Hanip sa action. Slow motion na mabilis. Ala-Zaldi Zornak....oooops ganon na ba ka tagal?
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 26 2007, 11:08 AM)
Do they really train that way?I always heard that greatest FMA Master came from Iloilo.
Are these guys one of them?
Was that Steven Seagal?
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Aug 31 2007, 05:17 AM)
That is how I see it when couple of TKD practitioners did their padded sticks sparring during their testing (2006). It's a touch-point system the same as their regular sparring or competitions.
KS, can you see my face with my hands covering my mouth? hehe...
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 22 2007, 08:16 PM)
????
Must be aikikwando. Are they related to the Blancia Tribe?
Now , that is too much. I dont think it is gonna work on any pinoy whether FMA or not unless bayad.
Now , that is too much. I dont think it is gonna work on any pinoy whether FMA or not unless bayad.
QUOTE (engkanto @ Sep 24 2007, 11:49 AM)
Must be aikikwando. Are they related to the Blancia Tribe?
Now , that is too much. I dont think it is gonna work on any pinoy whether FMA or not unless bayad.
Now , that is too much. I dont think it is gonna work on any pinoy whether FMA or not unless bayad.
I like that, unless bayad.
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 22 2007, 11:16 PM)
this is the same as the KIAI master! and that guy he said that he can control the chi like a remote control!
That was hilarious! I wonder how many takes they had to do lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24SKbTD1QnU...related&search=
Video Game Bad Guy Karate Training by Bullshido.net
Video Game Bad Guy Karate Training by Bullshido.net
QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 26 2007, 05:47 AM)
Mike Chat is a good TKD practitioner those things are hard to do BUT these XMAers are snobs (well most gagos I am acquainted with). they think they are the best martial artists out there. "kala nila kung sino... 
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QUOTE (Kilat Serrada @ Sep 26 2007, 05:47 AM)
Mike Chat is a good TKD practitioner those things are hard to do BUT these XMAers are snobs (well most gagos I am acquainted with). they think they are the best martial artists out there. "kala nila kung sino... of course they're the best.... they possess the power of zords!!
What makes it exoctic?
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